Was Esau’s Descendants in Rome?

 

According to Jewish historians, the Roman Empire came to be identified with Esau and “Edom”. In medieval rabbinic writing, “Edom” is used to refer to the Byzantine Empire.

 Story of Romulus and Remus

 According the Jewish historians, Romulus, the founder of Rome was from the line of Esau.  The basic legend about how Romulus came to be the first king of Rome begins with the god Mars impregnating Rhea Silvia, who was  daughter of deposed king.  This was from the line of the Trojan Kings who ruled from Alba Longa. After the birth of  Romulus and Remus, the king orders them to be left to die in the Tiber River.  When the basket in which the twins were placed washes up on shore, a wolf suckles them until a shepherd Faustulus finds the twins and brings them into his home.  Latin for prostitute and she-wolf is lupa.   They were probably raised by a prostitute.  When they grow up, Romulus and Remus restore the throne of Alba Longa to its rightful ruler, their  grandfather.

Then they set out to found their own city.  Sibling rivalry leads Romulus to slay his brother.  Romulus started the town on one of the 7 hills of Rome called Palestine.  Romulus then becomes the first king and founder of the city of Rome.  Rome is named after him.

Below is a picture of one of the excavated hills of Rome:

romulus

 The Byzantine Empire 

There is a direct connection between Esau’s descendants and the Byzantine Empire. After the fall of Rome, all Roman kings reigned out of Byzantium Empire in Constantiople the new Roman capital.  The Byzantium included all of Italy all the surrounding coastal regions of the Meditterean Sea. Emperor Justinian regained many of the old Roman territories that the ermanic tribes had taken during the 3rd AND 4TH Century. That included the tip of Spain and North Africa which was taken from the Goths.  

byzanrine empire

Does the Bible talk about the Byzantium Empire?

Number 24:24 identified the Byzantium Empire.

Num 24:20  And he looked on Amalek, and took up his parable, and said, Amalek was the first of the nations; But his latter end shall come to destruction. Amalek was the leader among Esau’s princes. Num 24:21  And he looked on the Kenite, and took up his parable, and said, Strong is thy dwelling-place, And thy nest is set in the rock. Num 24:22  Nevertheless Kain shall be wasted, Until Asshur shall carry thee away captive. Num 24:23 And he took up his parable, and said, Alas, who shall live when God doeth this! Num 24:24  But ships shall come from the coast of Kittim, And they shall afflict Asshur, and shall afflict Eber; And he also shall come to destruction.

Josephus, that ‘all islands, and the greatest part of the sea-coast, are called Chethim. This is talking about the Byzantine Empire.  It control the Mediterrean Sea. 

The word Kittim is plural.  God is trying to point to all of the Islands on the Mediterrean Sea and their coastlines.  God is describing the Byzantine Empire.

Kittim is the ancient name for the island of Cyprus.

Dan 11:30  For the shipsH6716 of ChittimH3794 shall comeH935 against him: therefore he shall be grieved,H3512 and return,H7725 and have indignationH2194 againstH5921 the holyH6944 covenant:H1285 so shall he do;H6213 he shall even return,H7725 and have intelligenceH995 withH5921 them that forsakeH5800 the holyH6944 covenant.H1285

Chittim strong’s # H23794 means Cyprus.  The Bible is telling you that the Island of Chittim is Cyprus.

But Num 24:24 uses the plural form of the word meaning more than one island. This is explaining that the coast area in the Mediterrean Sea would conquer Eber who was ancient Spain –and Asshur is German and Austria. This is referencing the two parts of the Byzantine Empire.  Spain was conquered by the Moors in the 7th Century and later initiated the Spanish Inquisition. Asshur is referring to the Hapsburg Dynasty. Num 24:24. is definitely talking about the Byzantine Empire.

Byzantine Empire

The Byzantine Empire make up the Modern countries of Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, Spain and Italy. Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Israel, Lebanon and Iraq, Romania, Bulgaria, Serbia, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Croatia, Macedonia and almost all other Balkan countries.

Esau Descendants were in the Byzantium Empire

 According to the book of Jasher, Edom lived on the Island of Chittim.In the book of Jasher, we read that great battles arose between the children of Chittim and Edom.  Edom was taken captive and mixed with the people on the island of Chittim which is Cyprus today.

“and Edom became subject to the children of Chittim.  And the children of Chittim ruled over Edom, and Edom became under the hand of the children of Chittim and became one kingdom from that day.  And from that day they could no more lift up their heads, and their kingdom became one with the children of Chittim” (p.251)

 Esau Descendants also were in Turkey in the Taurus Mountains.  They were called the Isaurians.

 Zeno was a Byzantine Emperor reigning from 474 to 475 AD. Zeno married the daughter of Byzantine emperor Leo I and fathered Leo II. The child reigned briefly upon the death of Leo I but died within a year and Zeno, having been appointed co-emperor, succeeded him in 474 AD.

He was an Isaurian from the land of Isauria in Southern Asia Minor in the Taurus Mountains.  The Isaurians carry the name of Esau.  If take the name Esau you drop the “E” and replace it with an “I” You will have the name Isau.  It is so extremely close to the name Esau.

Wikipedia :”Isaurians”

in ancient geography, is a rugged isolated district in the interior of South Asia Minor, of very different extent at different periods, but generally covering what is now the district of Bozkır and its surroundings in the Konya province of Turkey, or the core of the Taurus Mountains.

 He was called the “King of the Edoms”. 

Wikipedia states in the same article, According to Samaritan sources, Zeno (whom the sources call “Zait the King of Edom”) persecuted the Samaritans.(Procopius, 5.7).

Also the Bible places Edom in the area above Turkey.  He is identified with the area of Armenia located above Turkey.  So it is not a difficult to believe that the Edomites were found in Turkey also.

 Lamentations 4:21  “REJOICE AND BE GLAD, O DAUGHTER OF EDOM, THAT DWELLEST IN THE LAND OF UZ

Targum Yehonatan (Aramaic Translation): “IN THE LAND OF UZ is Armenia”.  Nachmanides (Jewish Historian) agreed he was in Armenia.

The Byzantine Empire was ruled by the Isaurian from 711 to 802 AD.  So the descendants of Esau controlled the Byzantium for almost hundred years.  It is called the Isaurian Dynasty.

Isaurian dynasty (717–802)

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Leo III “the Isaurian” (Λέων Γ΄ ο Ίσαυρος)

25 March 717 – 18 June 741

Born c. 685 in Germanikeia,   Commagene,   he became a general. Rose in rebellion and secured the throne in spring 717.   Repelled the Second Arab Siege of   Constantinople and initiated the Byzantine Iconoclasm.

    

Constantine   V “the Dung-named” (Κωνσταντίνος Ε΄ ο Κοπρώνυμος)

18 June 741 – 14 September 775

Born in July 718, the only son of Leo III. Co-emperor   since 720, he succeeded upon his father’s death. After overcoming the   usurpation of Artabasdos, he continued his father’s iconoclastic policies and   won several victories against the Arabs and the Bulgars. He is given the   surname “the Dung-named” in hostile later chroniclers.

Artabasdos (Αρτάβασδος)

June 741/742 – 2 November 743

General and son-in-law of Leo III, Count of the   Opsician Theme. Led a revolt that secured Constantinople, but was   defeated and deposed by Constantine V, who blinded and tonsured him.

    

Leo IV “the Khazar” (Λέων Δ΄ ο Χάζαρος)

14 September 775 – 8 September 780

Born on 25 January 750 as the eldest son of Constantine V.   Co-emperor since 751, he succeeded upon his father’s death.

    

Constantine   VI (Κωνσταντίνος ΣΤ΄)

8 September 780 – August 797

Born in 771, the only child of Leo IV. Co-emperor in 776,   sole emperor upon Leo’s death in 780, until 790 under the regency of his   mother, Irene of Athens. He was overthrown on Irene’s orders, blinded and imprisoned,   probably dying of his wounds shortly after.

    

Irene   of Athens (Ειρήνη η Αθηναία)

August 797 – 31 October 802

Born c. 752 in Athens, she   married Leo IV. Regent for her son Constantine VI in 780–790, she overthrew   him in 797 and became empress

Esau married into the Royal Families

 The Byzantine Emperors are a royal line stretching from before the fall of Rome to the Hapsburg Dynasty The Byzantine dynasties are link together through marriage.

See this Link : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_trees_of_the_Byzantine_imperial_dynasties

We know Esau’s descendants are tied to the Royal line through the Isaurian Dynasty. During the 11th Century a prominent family came to power called the Palaiologos.  One of the Palaiologus rulers was Andronikos II (1259 – 1332).   His son became lord of Montferrat through his heritance from his mother.  His dynasty ruled in Montferrat.  This inheritance was eventually incorporated by marriage to the Gonzaga family.  Later, that succession passed to the Dukes of Lorraine, who became the progenitor of the Habsburg-Lorraine emperors of Austria.

Also KONSTANTINOS XI (1448-1453) was the Byzantium Emperor during the fall of the Byzantium Empire to the Turks.  His brother Thomas had a daughter named Zoë (Sophia)  who married Ivan III of RussiaThis links the line of Esau to the royal line of Russia.

The Turks brought the Eastern Empire to a close in 1403 when they destroyed Constantinople. From that time, the Ottoman Empire ruled the Byzantine Emperor.  The  Ottoman Turks came from Turkey and Central Asia.  The Mitanni Empire settled Central Asia. Mitanni was the descendants of Abraham’s children — Esau, Midianites (Kitarch’s children) and Ismael.   Some aspects of the Eastern Empire were transferred to Imperial Russia under Ivan III (the Great) who was regarded as the first national sovereign of Russia.

The Ottoman Empire existed for about 400 years and ended with World War I.   The Ottoman Empire made up majority of the Axis powers in World War II (1939–1945) Axis powers (Germany, Italy, Japan, Hungary,  Romania, Bulgaria, Greece, Iraq, Iran, Southeast Asia, Finland.  History keeps repeating itself!!!  The double-headed eagle is most commonly associated with the Byzantine Empire, the Holy Roman Empire, the Russian Empire and their successor states.  AND HITLER.  They were the same people.

Also the Bible tells us that the Roman Empire or Byzantine Empire will be the Prince at the End time.

Dan 8:19  And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the latter time of the indignation; for it belongeth to the appointed time of the end. Daniel 8 talks about the little horn. Dan 8:20  The ram which thou sawest, that had the two horns Dan 8:21  And the rough he-goat is the king of Greece: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king. Dan 8:11  Yea, it magnified itself, even to the prince of the host; and it took away from him the continual burnt-offering, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.

Dan_9:26  And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

The Temple had already destroyed during the time that Daniel wrote the prophecy.  But this is also referencing the Herod’s temple.  Roman was the empire that destroyed the temple during the time of Herod.

God is trying to tell us who the people of prince is.  It is the same people that destroyed the temple and city the first time–  The Romans.  He is telling us the Roman or Byzantium Empire will rise again at the end time and it will be the Kingdom of the Prince or Vial man of Daniel who destroys Israel.

 The Philistines are in Rome also

Also was not the only people from the Middle East found in Italy.

 Nermin Vlora Falaski, in its book “Linguistic and genetic heredities” has deciphered Etruscan and Pelasgic and linked it with the Albanian language today. This would mean that the Albanians who were also known as the Descendants of the Illyrians, were anciently called the Pelasgians, one of most ancient civilizations that lived Europe. Therefore, in Italy it exists the locality of the TOSCHI (the Tuscany), therefore as the Toschi lives in the “Toskeria”, in southern Albania.

Herodotus (c. 450 B.C.) reports that the Etruscans came from Asia Minor.  Herodotus says the Etruscans came from Lydia, in Asia Minor, as the result of a famine around 1200 B.C.  Herodotus says the Etruscans came from Lydia and left and settled Italy.  That is where we get the name Tuscany.

Also Pliny the elder confirms the information of Diodorus. Virgil (Aeneid, VIII, V. 62-63), writes:“It is sayd that the first dwellers of our Italy were the Pelasgians”.

Pelasgians were on the Island of Crete. In the “Odyssey” by Homer, Odysseus, mentions the Pelasgians among the tribes in the ninety cities of Crete. (Homer. Odyssey, 19.175–19.177 (Robert Fagles translation).

The Pelasgians were also in the Aegean Sea.   A stele from Lemnos, an island in the Aegean, shows writing that appears similar to Etruscan.

 The Bible called the Island of Crete Caphtor.  It says that the Philistines would also live there.

Jer_47:4  Because ofH5921 the dayH3117 that comethH935 to spoilH7703 (H853) allH3605 the Philistines,H6430 and to cut offH3772 from TyrusH6865 and ZidonH6721 everyH3605 helperH5826 that remaineth:H8300 forH3588 the LORDH3068 will spoilH7703 (H853) the Philistines,H6430 the remnantH7611 of the countryH339 of Caphtor.H3731

Jewish Virtual Library.

CAPHTOR (Heb. כַּפְתּוֹר, כַּפְתֹּר), place located either in the Aegean Sea area or on the southern coast of Asia Minor. According to Amos 9:7, Jeremiah 47:4, and possibly Genesis 10:14, the Philistines came from Caphtor prior to their penetration of southern Palestine. Deuteronomy 2:23 notes that the Caphtorim destroyed “the Avvim, that dwelt in villages as far as Gaza,, taking over their lands.

The location of Caphtor or kftyw is in dispute. Most scholars consider Caphtor to be the ancient name for *Crete and the surrounding islands (cf. “islands” in LXX, Jer. 47:4). In Jeremiah 47:4 Caphtor is defined as an island. Furthermore, several verses place the origin of the Philistines among the Cretans (Ezek. 25:16; Zeph. 2:5), while elsewhere they are identified as coming from Caphtor.

Philistine pottery resembles that of the Minoan and Mycenaean civilizations to the point that a material connection is beyond question.  That puts the Philistines in the area of Crete and Greece.

The Sea People probably drove out the person of Crete and Asia Minor in the 12th century.   Or they may have left because of the famine that struck the region at that same time.

In conclusion,  Rome has always been an enemy of the Western Europeans, Britain and America throughout the centuries.  IT WILL BE ESAU’S DESCENDANTS WHO BRING ON WWIII against Jacob’s descendants — the modern day Western Europeans, Britain, Australia and America.

 

 

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32 comments on “Was Esau’s Descendants in Rome?

  1. Interesting article. Are you aware the Lost Tribes of Israel were in Africa in 1747 AD and the historical maps prove the Tribe of Judah and others were in Africa? I believe we have a case of mistaken identity today among those who say they are Jews but are the Synagogue of Satan. Are Jacob’s descendants not living in the United States of America today? Is there a difference between African Hamites and Black Negro Israelites? Why are there historical maps, which prove the Transatlantic Slave Trade was responsible for the scattering of the Lost Tribes of Israel?

    • Jim Yes there is. I am planning a program on this. I believe the descendants of the mix multitude went to Africa and Asia. I also believe that God brought many of his descendants to America because the blessings were for all the people that were with Moses — not just Jacob’s seed. I plan to prove that in a program soon.

      • Remember the promise that God made to Jacob’s son — Gen 49 that they would become NATIONS in the last days. That has been fulfilled today. They are the Christian nations today. God is not slack with his promises. Also Rev tells us the 144,000 would come from the 12 tribes of Israel. So they are around today.

          • The description in Gen 49 is a description of nations. That was the promise given to Abraham that his descendants would become many nations. Gen 12:2 1Now the LORD said to Abram, “Go forth from your country, And from your relatives And from your father’s house, To the land which I will show you; 2And I will make you a great nation, And I will bless you, And make your name great; And so you shall be a blessing;

      • Yahuah tells us in 2 extras 13:40-46 that the 10 tribes of Israel which are the northern kingdom of Israel who was carried away captive in arsereth by the Assyrian king salmanazar which was in Africa and today they are keeping the statue of Yahuah thy Elohim and dwelling there today according to 2 estras 13:40-47 and now we are down to two tribes the southern kingdom Judah and Benjamin from the Babylonian Empire to the Roman Empire in Luke 21:20 Yahuasha warned Judah and Benjamin that the Roman was going to destroy Israel so they need to flee to the mountains which was Africa so in 65 a.d the Roman army invaded Israel looking for the Hebrews under general Pompey and then 5 years later general Vespasian and his son Titus destroyed Israel completely during the time of Pompey till Julius Caesar 1 million Hebrews fled to North Africa and then the Roman Empire begin to search for the Hebrews again so they migrated to west Africa where they brought their Hebrew heritage so they became kings and queens princes, governors, and etc. But later Mohammad went to west Africa and forced the Quran in the Hebrew causing the fall of the Hebrew empires in west Africa so the Africans had sold us out to the Europeans so that begin the trans Atlantic slave trade so the tribe of Judah and Benjamin was scattered all over the world serving their enemies there for 400 years acts 7:6-7 and Genesis 15:13-14 the tribe of Judah and Benjamin today is the dark skinned people dwelling areas of poverty in North America, Latin America, the islands, South America, Europe, Asia, Madagascar, Australia, and everywhere else around the world and their are small reminants of us in all places celebrating their traditional way culture, gods, and etc. Deuteronomy 28
        But when our captivity end the Elohim Yahuah will judge those nations in the valley of josepath acts 7:8 and that’s the day of the Elohim
        When Yahuah and his people come back the devil will battle Yahuasha and his people with the military powers from all nations and we will return back to Israel and worship the most high and he will restore our Hebrew language there will be no more wars but worship and singing and joy…so be it.

      • I must second that you did an excellent job historically . However, at the end when you said, “Jacob’s descendants — the modern day Western Europeans, Britain, Australia and America.” Can you find a correlation for the people of the countries/regions you just named with Deuteronomy 28:16-68? How would you compare Genesis 36:8-9,15-30 to the people you named?
        And what of Obadiah 1:3-4, 10-16, 20-21 and the prophecy of Revelation 13:10?

        I find that the peoples you named are in rulership. The Most Highs people are under a curse because of disobedience. And how about Joel 3:1-9?

        Please show scripture to back up that claim.

        • Yes you are so right because of their sins they are now under a curse. But they were given unbelievable blessings but have toss all of their faith aside. thanks for listening.

    • The Canaanites ie Moors are in America and are admittedly the offspring of Ammonites/Moabites re: Moorish Science Temple of aMOORica…The Cherokee, Choctaw and Seminole Black Indians were in America prior to the imaginary slave ships, which lines up perfectly – they also are Moors /Amorites/Ammonites/Moabites from the seed of Lot and cursed, Zechariah 14,21

  2. Edomite is Idumean (adite) the Assyrians are people of Aws imliq (amorite) was absorbed be Arameans who are the Chaldeans making them in origin people of Aws. The Imliq were beautiful with black hair .

  3. Yes. I reviewed this, and it seems factual. Having a Master in History, I can back some of this up. It needs some further clarification.

    In any case, taking Philanthropy at face value and basic war patterns against Israel it is not difficult to separate who is who. It’s too bad for inter-marriage but that is the way it is. In any case, nowadays people are united under the same principles (religion, politics, et cetera) and not necessarily race (color) or locale identity (country of nativity).

    What would be more interesting, is connecting the “ease” of principles associated with racial formality. For example, it is rare that Syrians (et al.) (Edom) would follow Judaism or Christianity, and respectively vice versa for Israeli/Jew/Hebrews to adhere to Islamic tradition. Is this somehow “coded” in DNA, or is it truly a unequivocally a choice?

    Let’s move toward something more modern. Let us compare French tradition and Italian tradition. Italians are slightly more brown, and Italians are well know for their wars against Israel throughout history, even though Napoleon indeed attempt to rule the world, he did not have an inclination for the destruction of Israel. Yet, repeatedly, Israel has. A quick look at French law indicates a strong implication of Judaic pattern, and Islamic influence essentially non existent. And so, a mix of Islam and Judaism for Italians possibly formed the “Roman” religion, Christianity under Roman rule then experiences its most monumental schism (Catholicism), which is practiced like Islam on many levels.

    Certainly, Israel are the Original “Caucasian Whites”. The tribes move through Europe populating and eventually making their way to America. Just like Egyptians represent the “Blacks / Ebony”, the Syrians are descendants of Esau and the “Browns / Reds”. Biblically however, Asia is not mentioned in detail very much.

    And so, inter marriage occurs take a look a Greeks – white, right next door Turks – half brown / half white. Further on East, Brown. Move south, we have Israel, white. Egypt – have black, half white, further down south, black as night. Moving West, we have Greece and Slavics, Nordics all white (Eugenically speaking, Syrians, Blacks and Chinese do NOT have blue eyes and blonde hair). The French, Germans and English are easily tribes of Israel, simply from their Anthropological nature.

    What is disconcerting is the mixes. Italians/Romans consistently attacking Israel and already being “brown”, religious schism and the “Vatican” are elements that are far too “Syrian” to ignore. It seems the Vatican is the European format for “caliphate”.
    Italians/Romans are the ultimate expression of a European Trojan horse IMO. Imposters of French tradition and an inner Muslim / Syrian core, all hidden behind “Catholicism”, the worst joke on Christianity ever devised.

  4. Is there a reason, your information doesn’t mention Duetromony 28:68. I found this disturbing considerin you manage to claim whete 10 list tribe went, yet these area a linked to the sons of jepheth & those who would occupy the Isle aka the gentiles

    • Deut 28:68 has not been fulfilled yet. The 12 tribes are not scattered yet. They are scattered when they go back into captivity again. They have fulfilled the part that says they would be spread the ends of the earth. There was a promise that God made to the sons of Jacob Read Gen 49. They would become great NATIONS in the LAST DAYS. That is not the Jews. It is the 12 sons of Jacob. Judah was only one of the sons.

      • So you’re saying no one went into slavery on ships and we’re sold as bond men and bond woman with yokes of iron on their necks are you saying that hasn’t happened yet?

        • The European people have not gone into slavery AS AN ENTIRE GROUP since the fall of Israel. Does that mean that some pockets of Israelites have not been enslaved — no some groups have. Hope this helps you understand what I am trying to say. thanks for listening

    • Yes we know that Rome was a mixture of different people but when Troy fell history records 18,000 people from Troy went to Rome. They would have an Israelite connection. thanks for listening.

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